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  What is Eternal and Everlasting Life

 Is it possible to be in love the idea of heaven and immortality more than loving God and His Son Jesus Christ’s appearing!  When you think about it, some people are that egocentric about inheriting the everlasting hills of the New Earth.  Judas Iscariot was all about the sin of avarice.  He loved the idea of becoming wealthy and gaining the world, which is why he attached himself to Jesus Christ, outwardly feigning to be a follower, but in the end betraying Jesus for what he could get in return.  Jesus loved Judas and taught him along with the other disciples, yet His word had no place in Judas’ heart.  We must ask ourselves and ask God to reveal to us our true self, that we might shun all that is earthly, sensual, and devilish. 

 

I am going to hand out something here, which is a companion lesson that I believe will add to your learning on what I will now teach.  Please do not read this so you might focus first on the main meal message.  This can be desert for later.  And before I ask Father to bless our gathering and myself your servant, I want you to be sure to jot down any questions or comments that come to mind.  Perhaps as I go through the message we can share together in this learning experience.  I do not want to be as one that dominates but rather be one who allows the Holy Spirit to do His perfect work.

 

Prayer:

 

To start off our lesson this evening we must ask the question that seems on the surface not needed to be asked, yet it must, so that we thoroughly understand the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.  “What is eternal life?

 

John 17:1-3  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may glorify thee:  As Thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him.  And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.

 

In these three verses the Lord Jesus Christ addressed His Father six times and Himself as His Father’s Son twice.  He proclaimed His ministry to glorify Father, and He includes in His prayer His ministry to redeem men by the power of Father and to give them eternal life, then He says what?

 

This is eternal life (that means that He is giving definition to what eternal is), that they (His disciples as well as we ourselves) might know Father, the only True God and Jesus Christ (His Son).  Remember that He (Jesus) said He should give eternal life to as many as Father had given Him, right?

 

Let’s dig deeper in the mine of Truth and examine further the teachings of Jesus regarding eternal life.

 

John 3:14-16?  “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:  That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.  For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

This simple but eloquent statement declares that both Jesus and His Father desire to give Eternal to all who believe in Jesus.

 

Let us notice a similar statement which seems to be different topically but is right on target and in perfect harmony with these verses.

 

Luke 11:13.  If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

 

Now, does it say anything there about eternal life in this verse or the surrounding context?  Yes or No?  If you say no, then please go with me to the following Scripture…

 

Ephesians 1:7-14  In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;  Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;  Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to His good pleasure which he hath purposed in Himself:  That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:  In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will:  That we should be to the praise of His glory, who first trusted in Christ.  In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in Whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

 

Points made:

1 We have (past tense) redemption in the blood of Christ, the forgiveness of sins by His grace.  The work of Jesus Christ the Lamb of God in paying for man’s redemption is a finished work done at the cross of Calvary.

2. That in the dispensation of the fullness of times? (the end of time) He (God the Father) will gather all things both in heaven and earth in One (In His Son Jesus Christ). 

3. In Christ we have obtained (past tense) an inheritance. And what did we learn from John 3:14-16 that our inheritance is in Jesus Christ? Our inheritance is eternal and everlasting life.

4. After we believed, we were sealed with that Holy Spirit, Who is the earnest (down payment) on that eternal life.  You see brethren, the Holy Ghost is the down payment of our inheritance until when?

5. Until the redemption (future tense) of the purchased possession. 

 

What did Jesus purchase on the Cross of Calvary?

 

1 Corinthians 5:7, 8 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:  therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

 

What this text tells us is that when Israel observed Pesach, they first sacrificed the Lamb at even only after all leaven was removed from their tent/home/dwelling.  And it was cleansed of leaven for the entire week 7 days of the feast.  Therefore, when we look at the typical meaning of Passover and the feast of unleavened bread, we are to see that Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God having been sacrificed has the authority and power to both forgive and He also cleanses us from all sin. 

 

1 John 1:9-1 John 2:4 says “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:  And He is the propitiation (Mercy Seat-It was the cover on top of the  Ark of the Covenant that contained the Ten Commandments) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.  And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep His Commandments.  He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

 

And so we are admonished that after we have been forgiven and washed by the Lamb’s blood we are to cease from sin and walk in righteousness, through Jesus Christ.  But how is this possible?

 

These feasts connected to the Jewish annual calendar have been nailed to the cross and are only perpetual in the degree of their fulfillment in Jesus Christ working out His plan of redemption in us, that sin shall not rein in our mortal bodies once we have received the crucified, buried, and risen Lamb of God.  The life we now live, is lived not for us Amen?  But for Him who loved us and gave Himself for us.  We are to be reckoned as dead indeed to sin but alive unto God now through Jesus Christ our Lord.  Halleleujah!!!  Can you say Amen?  Thank you Blessed Lord Jesus.  How is this possible then?  Why by having eternal life.

 

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?  For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit (mind), which are God's. 

 

The blood redemption has been paid.  Amen!!!   How dare we, or as St. Paul says it, “God forbid!”  That we should ever think that we can either make void the law of God through faith or think that we who are dead to sin in Christ think we can continue to live therein.  We are talking about the Word of God helping us to overcome unbelief and sin that results from the lack of knowledge of what His will is for us in Jesus Christ.  If you desire victory, you must understand what being dead to sin and being alive to God in Jesus Christ is all about from God’s standpoint.  We must know Him and the power of His salvation.

 

At this point allow me to draw from the Old Testament to try and explain this mystery regarding the Holy Ghost and Him being the earnest (down payment of eternal life).

 

I will share this by drawing from the name Immanuel as found in the Messianic prophetic book of Isaiah and from the Old Covenant feast of Tabernacles.

 

Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.” 

 

The New Testament declares the following in Matthew 1:18-25, “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as His mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.  Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.  And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.  Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.  Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:  And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”

 

The point of this context is to verify, to seal up the truth of the prophecy that Jesus Christ came forth of a virgin.  Galatians 4:3-5 declares, “Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:  But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.”

 

That is fulfilled, but do not forget the name Emmanuel.  What is its interpretation?  God with us.  Was Jesus God manifest in the flesh? 1 Timothy 3:16 says He was right?  Okay now let’s examine another Jewish annual feast that teaches the same thing about Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost and our inheritance of eternal and everlasting life.

 

In Deuteronomy 16:12-16, in summary the Lord told the Israelites, “Remember that you were a bondman in the land of Egypt.”  What does Egypt represent in figure to God’s people?  It represents the place where Israel was a slave, not permitted to do God’s will but the will of an obstinate atheistic Pharaoh.  He said, “Who is the Lord, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go.”

 

The Lord sent forth Moses to take Israel up and out of Egypt.  He then brought them to Mt Sinai where God taught them.  You see?  They had to be prepared to enter into the promised land by receiving the knowledge that Pharaoh would not let them have.  He desired for them to be blind and subservient to him forever.  Any man or organization, even a church, which will not permit its people to hear the Truth as it is in Jesus Christ, is no better then the Pharaoh of Egypt.

 

But God delivered His people with a mighty hand and brought them out into the wilderness and there He tabernacles with them.

 

Leviticus 23:39-43 “Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath (rest), and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath (rest).  And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the Lord your God seven days.  And ye shall keep it a feast unto the Lord seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.  Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:  That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

 

Now at this junction we must verify what this feast was for.

1.     To remember that they were slaves in Egypt

2.     To remember how that they lived I tents also.

 

But God also lived in a tent with His people didn’t He?  Yes he did.  In the very midst of all 12 Tribes of Israel there was the Tabernacle of God inside the surrounding courtyard fence.

 

God dwelt with Israel in the wilderness in a tent and later David aspired to build a magnificent temple to house all that Moses had been instructed to build.

 

Does anyone here not know what the tabernacle looked like?  Show picture.

 

Well it was a beautiful tabernacle, whether it was the one in the Sinai wilderness or the one built upon Mount Moriah where Abraham offered up his son Isaac.

 

But now we go to the fulfillment of what this all means.

 

Jesus was and is Emmanuel.  We know that because of the instruction given by the messenger Gabriel at His birth.  However, He is no longer bodily with us is He?  And yet He is. How?

 

John 14:15-18 says, If ye love Me, keep My Commandments.  And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.  I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Remember Luke 11:13? “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?”

 

I asked you then, “Did John 3:14-16 say anything about the Holy Spirit when Jesus said, ““And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:  That whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.  For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

 

John 1:4, 5  says, “In Him (Jesus Christ) was life; and the life was the light of men.  And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

The Life of Jesus Christ is the Light, the Glory of God manifest in human flesh, He is the Holy Apostle sent from His Father to reveal his character and teach us His will.  Verses 9-14 declare…

 

“That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.  He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew Him not.  He came unto his own, and his own received Him not.  But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name:  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

 

Jesus therefore is part of the fulfillment of the feast of Tabernacles.  Why part and not the whole?  Let’s continue.

 

2 Corinthians 6:14-18, “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.  Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.  And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

You see beloved, this is New Covenant theology that God does not dwell any longer in a tent or stone temple upon earth.  Jesus Christ being come an High Priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;”  Hebrews 9:11

 

He ministers before the Father in the true Tabernacle in Heaven.  Hebrews 8:1, 2, “Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an High Priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;  A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.” 

 

This is the Sanctuary in heaven where our Advocate stands on behalf of all His saints yet upon this earth, Who is His unerring representative?  Who is the One who is the convincer of sins, righteousness, and judgment to come?  Who is it that we grieve by sin and unbelief?

 

Who is He that dwells with us and in us?

 

John 14:10-17, “Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of Myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works.  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.  And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.  If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.  If ye love Me, keep My commandments.  And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;  Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.”

The Holy Spirit is given only to Commandment keepers according to this and other Scriptures.  If you want Jesus to ask Father to breathe His Spirit upon you then you must repent and be converted, allowing God to wash away your sins.  When He washes away your sins, He does so that you might bring forth fruit unto God in holy living.

 

Very clearly, those who have been redeemed from the corruptions in this world that are brought upon by lust, they alone are recipients of the Holy Ghost, and the Holy Ghost is the continuation of Emmanuel, God with us.  You see brethren, He was called back in Ephesians 1:7-14, the earnest of our inheritance, the down payment of that eternal and everlasting life.

 

Now since we have been shown from Scripture that Jesus Christ dwelled among us as God manifest in the flesh, is Emmanuel, and since we have been shown that the Holy Ghost is God manifesting Himself as Emmanuel by dwelling in our flesh, then what can be the ultimate revelation of Emmanuel and the feast of Tabernacles?

 

Revelation 21:1-3, “And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.  And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.  And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

 

You see brethren, God the father will then dwell with the redeemed and the complete fulfillment by all Three Holy Dignitaries of the Godhead will be finished.

 

The work of Jesus Christ has been for the past 6ooo years to take us home to be with His Father face to face, and He will do it.

 

Some final points we must conclude from this study are as follows:

 

1.     Heaven and earth haven't yet been brought together in one in Christ.

2.     And that is because the angelic host that will accompany Jesus at Hs appearing and those redeemed by His blood have not been bodily resurrected to meet their Lord in the air.

 

St. Paul gave these words of comfort, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18, “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord (this is what Jesus Christ taught), that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (phthano-to be beforehand, i.e. anticipate or precede; by extension, to have arrived at: --(already) attain, come, prevent) them which are asleep.  For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.  Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

Notice: Who is in the air to recieve His saints? Our Lord Jesus Christ, and look who is with Him when He comes for us. 

 

 2 Thessalonians 1:7.  And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

 

Heaven and earth are brought together in Him at this time!   Yes we have eternal life, not in immortality now, but something even better.  We have God’s Spirit with and in us.  The blessing of eternal Life is neither in the bliss of enduring life or in missing the fies of hell but in living in perfect union with God.

 

Obviously St. Paul thought enough about those who were in the church, and yet living in open sin and rebellion to write these words, “1 Corinthinas 6:9-11  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.  And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

Acts 5:28-32 proves that loving obedience and a willing hearts is the prerequisite of receiving the Holy Spirit, for His ministry is to convicts us that we are sinners (transgressors of God's Law 1 John 3:4) If we say we are not sinners when God’s Word says what sin is, we are calling God a liar. 

 

Do you see who the Spirit of Truth is and that He is the Spirit of God with us now?  He is the earnest or down payment on that eternal life.  While Jesus was in the world, He was Immanuel (God with us). We are to know Him!  Why?  What does it mean to know God? 

John 17: 3.  And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

Do you see what eternal life truly is? Knowing God, and what are the characteristics of those who know God?

 

1 John 2:3-6, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep His Commandments.  He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (Remember that Jesus is the Truth and the Spirit of Truth is not in a Commandment breaker!)  But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.  He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

Walk as Jesus walked.  You know today that more men walk as their weak ministers and priests, but they do not walk as Jesus walked because their ministers don’t tell them that Jesus is their True Pattern.  They in effect say, do the best you can and God will accept you.  Sounds good to the flesh, but it is not Scripture.

 

Phillipians 3:8-11, “Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, and be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:  That I may know Him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;  If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.”

 

Knowing God clearly is being Holy Spirit filled and directed by the obedience of Jesus Christ working in you both to will and to do of His Father’s good pleasure.  Not being any longer a slave in Egypt, a carnal minded ignorant sinner in the prison house of sin, but a lover of God, keeping His Commandments.

 

Ask, Seek, and Knock. 

1.     Ask God to show you where you fall short of His glory, which is His character.

2.     Seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness that you may not be found naked in the day of judgment.

3.     Knock on the door and Jesus will open to you the windows of Heaven and pour out of His Spirit all things necessary that we might truly pass from death to life.

 

Are there any final questions or comments that you would like to make?

 

This message has been full of spiritual language and although some of you cannot hear these words due to being new to the Scriptures or young in the faith of Jesus Christ, it is my prayer that if any of you desire to go beyond the superficial reading of the Bible that you will tell me when and where.  I will meet you anyplace, anytime in the home, restaurant, coffee house, the park or the beach.  You name it and I will be there to share as well as learn beside you.  I have not yet attained to all that I might be in Jesus Christ, yet I press forward to the mark.  The Lord our God bless each one of you and guide your understanding into His Word is my prayer for you all in Jesus name.  Amen…


How are the dead raised up according to the Corinthians Epistles?

1 Corinthians 15:35-49  But some man will say, how are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?  Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:  And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:  But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him, and to every seed his own body.  All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.  There are also celestial bodies and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.  There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:  It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:  It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.  And so it is written, the first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening (life giving) spirit.  Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural (Adam); and afterward that which is spiritual (Jesus).  The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.  As is the earthy (Adam), such are they also that are earthy (his posterity): and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly (the Lord God, Jesus Christ).  And as we have borne the image of the earthy (Adam), we shall also bear the image of the heavenly (Jesus Christ).

 

After St. Paul makes the case that we have borne the image of Adam, and that we shall (future tense) also bear the image of Jesus Christ, he explains what that means.

 

1 Corinthians 15:50-55 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (Ye must be born again); neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.  Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep (See 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.  For this corruptible must put on incorruption (see note), and this mortal must put on immortality.  So when (future tense) this corruptible shall have (future tense) put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have (future tense) put on immortality, then (In the last day-See John 6;39, 40, 44, 54) shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.  O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

 

Note: The point St. Paul is making concerning Flesh and blood cannot inherit and neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

This simply means that in our natural earthly state, we do not now have the ability to pass from the one to the other.  Man is neither naturally immortal nor is he incorruptible, that is why St. Paul says the following.

 

Corruptible must put on incorruption and mortal must put on immortality.

 

Can we go anywhere on earth to purchase these commodities of immortality and incorruption?  No, of course not!

We will be given incorruption and immortality at the last trump, when our Lord, Jesus Christ appears.

This is further explained in the second letter to the Corinthians.

 

2 Corinthians 5:1-9  For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.  For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:  If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.  For we that are in this tabernacle (earthly) do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed (dead/asleep in the grave), but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.  Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit (See note). Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body (earthly mortality), we are absent from the Lord:  (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)  We are confident, I say, and willing rather (again he expresses that yearning desire) to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

 

Let's compare and contrast our earthly house with the one from heaven

1.Earthly house equals, this flesh and blood, which of itself cannot inherit the kingdom of God and neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

2. Building of God equals, this corruptible must put on incorruption and mortal must put on immortality.  This is brought with Jesus from heaven.

(Remember that St. Paul speaks of his and our yearning desire, to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven).

3. Being clothed equals, this corruptible putting on incorruption and mortal must putting on immortality.  (This occurs at the second coming of Jesus Christ).

4. Being found naked equals, the flesh and blood cannot inherit and neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

 

We are not yet clothed upon with incorruption and immortality, if the last day hasn't occurred and the Lord Jesus Christ has not appeared. And so being found naked is having neither our earthly house nor the heavenly building, it is called being dead or asleep.  Not soul sleep as some charge, but the unconscious state of death, knowing neither pain nor pleasure, cold or hot, just a cessation of life.

 

Have you ever heard someone say, "I know that when I die, I will go immediately to heaven, for the Bible says, "Absent from the body, present with the Lord" Is that what the Bible says?  No, it does not say that at all, period!  That is lifting the middle out of the context an applying a meaning that is totally foreign to the mind of St. Paul.

 

2 Corinthians 5:8 says clearly, "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."

Now we must admit that to desire something and really have it are two things, and all the desire St. Paul could muster wouldn't help him skip the grave and enter heaven at death.

An Illustration:   If I were asked if I would like to go to the Lake Erie beach here in Lake County Ohio, or go to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, my desire would be Myrtle Beach, but my ability, bank account, and vacation time prevents it.  I can go to my local beach anytime I wish, but there are limitations to me going to my desired vacation spot on the southeast coast.  In regards to me desiring heaven and being with my Lord, I have a limitation of mortality and the inability to travel through space with this same mortal body.  Therefore, I must wait for my Lord to come and take me to His Father's house, as He promised.

But let's ask the question, Is this the first time Paul used this manerism of speech?  No!  As a matter of fact he uses the same phrase elsewhere in Scripture in five different contexts besides 2 Corinthains 5:8

Absent from the body, Present with the Lord???

1 Corinthians 5:3-5 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

Colossians 2:5, 6  For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.  As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in Him:

 

2 Corinthians 10:1-6, 10, 11  Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:  But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.  For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:  (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;  And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.  For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.  Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

 

2 Corinthians 13:1, 2, 10 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. I told you before, and foretell you, as if I were present, the second time; and being absent now I write to them which heretofore have sinned, and to all other, that, if I come again, I will not spare: Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.

 

Philippians 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

 

Do the Words of Jesus Christ make perfect sense?

 

John 14:1-3 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.  In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

This promise of the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the Resurrection and the Life ought to clear up forever any misunderstanding in regards to going to heaven at the point of death.  Millions upon millions of both the just and the unjust have died and been buried since the Lord made this statement, and still the Lord has not come again to take His people home to the Father’s house.  Jesus also stated clearly that there are only two resurrections.

 

Two Resurrections:  The Just and the Unjust

John 5:24-29  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth My word, and believeth on Him (the Father) that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.  For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in Himself;  And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.  Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Clearly we see two resurrections for the just and the unjust.  By searching elsewhere in Scripture we see when they occur.

 

Revelation 20:4-6 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.  But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Clearly those who come up in the first resurrection are the just from all ages up to the final conflict against the beast power in the last days.  The unjust are dealt with in the same chapter.

 

Revelation 20:12-15

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

Note that death and hell (Hades-the grave/abode of the dead) deliver up the dead that are in them.  The question will be asked regarding all those who come up in the second resurrection at the end of the 1000 year judgement, “Are any of these who are assembled here mentioned in the Lamb’s Book of Life?  All is silent, for there are none.  All who have been faithfully recorded in the Lamb’s Book of Life came up in the first resurrection a thousand years before.

The Old Testament minor prophet Joel refers to this strange act that will then take place. This refers to the great multitude of those risen from the dead at the close of the 1000 years in the resurrection of damnation.

 

Joel 2:1-11 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in My holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;  A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.  The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.  Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.  Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.  They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:  Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.  They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.  The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:  And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for His camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth His Word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

 

The camp of the saints of God is the city New Jerusalem that comes down from God out of heaven at the end of the 1000 years (See Revelation 20:9; 21:2) The transparent jasper walls are what appears as the Garden of Eden before the lost. Their final act is to confess on their knees that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of His Father, that God is just for His strange act of punishing the wicked for their transgressions and rejecting the Life He desired them to have through His Son.  Then they are called by their father, the Devil and Satan to attack the city.  They think they are strong enough and outnumber the inhabitants of the city of God, but then the end comes.  They stand engulfed in flames before and behind.  The desolated earth becomes a molten sea as fire and brimstone belches from the underground chasms and the heaven rains down the same.

 

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

Thank God that God is for us, not against us.  He desires that all might be saved and enter into life everlasting through His Son, Jesus Christ.  St. Paul speaks to the Philippians of his desire for the Lord Jesus Christ to be here from heaven with his heavenly house, so as to depart to be with Him (Jesus Christ).  But as you'll see, St. Paul makes a distinct point about his love for those he was ministering to, that his desire was to be able to seek to help them while he was in his earthly tabernacle.

 

Philippians 1:21-24 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain (How could it be gain?).  But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.  For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:  Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

 

If St. Paul died before the appearing of Christ, the gain would be that his sufferings are over, the battle with sin, the flesh, and the devil, is over!!!  That is not all though.  If St. Paul desired Jesus only to appear for his sake, then many would have been unprepared to meet Christ.  He makes clear sense of the sharing of Christ's sufferings that we may also share the glory of His appearing but he never says anything about going directly into the presence of God at death. St. Paul understood the agape (Love) of God that he preferred to suffer with those he was working to save rather than to rest from his labours.

 

Romans 8:16, 17 "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with Him, that we may be also glorified together."

 

2 Timothy 4:6-8 For I am now ready to be offered (to die for his faith in Christ), and the time of my departure is at hand (to leave the land of the living, to be unclothed).  I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:  Henceforth (future tense) there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me (future tense) at that day (not the day of his death, but the last day): and not to me only, but unto all them also that love His appearing.

 

Note: St. Paul said, "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent  them which are asleep."

 

1 Thessalonians 4:15

The word prevent means to precede according to Strong's Concordance Dictionary Number: 5348 Transliterated: phthano Phonetic: fthan'-o Text:  apparently a primary verb; to be beforehand, i.e. anticipate or precede; by extension, to have arrived at:

 

Would it not make sense that those who are asleep in Christ, who died in faith of the sure hope of the resurrection, that if they were already in heaven, then we who are living and translated at His coming could never precede them (the sleeping saints) to heaven??? 

St. Paul’s remarks only make sense to those who believe the dead saints are asleep in the grave, waiting to be called forth to meet Christ in the air when He appears.

 

St. Job said the following: "If I wait, the grave is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness I have said to corruption, Thou art my father: to the worm, Thou art my mother, and my sister.  And where is now my hope? As for my hope, who shall see it?  They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when our rest together is in the dust. Job 17:13-16

 

St. Job verifies the word of the Lord to Adam"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” Genesis 3:19

 

Job also gave this assurance in the resurrection from the dead

Job 14:12-15 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more (Compare with 1 Corinthians 15:20-24), they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep.  O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!  If a man die, shall he live again? All the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.  Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

 

See the Thessalonians letters (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10) concerning the calling of the saints from the grave, and the wrath of God which occurs at the same time upon the heads of the wicked, who love not His appearing.  The Bible is so consistently clear that incorruption and immortality is bestowed at the appearing of Christ, and not before.  May each of us be found ready and reconciled to God through our Lord Jesus Christ so that when He appears we too shall be clothed with His immortal, incorruptible crown.

Brother Blue (pastoral Elder Timothy Lee Arnett)               440 477-8535         440 477-8535


 

The Witch of Endor and Familiar Spirits

When discussing the state of the dead, that the dead are really dead and not in heaven, hell, or purgatory, the case of the Witch of Endor may be presented as proof that people don't really die, that they continue in some conscious state even after death. So let's examine what happened regarding King Saul and the Witch of Endor.

King Saul was given very explicit instructions by God through the prophet Samuel::

1 Sam 15:1 Samuel also said unto Saul, The LORD sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the LORD.
1 Sam 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
1 Sam 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

So, just what did King Saul do? Did he follow God's instructions?

1 Sam 15:7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
1 Sam 15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
1 Sam 15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
1 Sam 15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,
1 Sam 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

King Saul disobeyed God. He spared the King of the Amalekites and the finest of the animals in direct opposition to the command of God. Now when Samuel confronted Saul, note what Saul said:

1 Sam 15:13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD.

Saul had the temerity to tell Samuel that he had done exactly as commanded by God! But Samuel knew better than that, after all, he had give Saul the instructions from God in the first place. So Samuel asks:

1 Sam 15:14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?

1 Sam 15:19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?

Saul, his disobedience now exposed, actually tries to blame the people for his actions:

1 Sam 15:20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
1 Sam 15:21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.

Note how Samuel characterizes Saul's disobedience:

1 Sam 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1 Sam 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Saul's transgression was of so great a magnitude that God was removing him as King of Israel, even though Saul then admitted his sin:

1 Sam 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
1 Sam 15:25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the LORD.
1 Sam 15:26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, and the LORD hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
1 Sam 15:27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
1 Sam 15:28 And Samuel said unto him, The LORD hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.

After slaying Agag, Samuel departed from Saul, and never returned, even to the day Samuel died:

1 Sam 15:35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

In fact, the spirit of God departed from Saul completely. God no longer spoke to Saul:

1 Sam 16:14 But the spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Then later, the elderly Samuel died:

1 Sam 25:1 And Samuel died; and all the Israelites were gathered together, and lamented him, and buried him in his house at Ramah.

So, now when faced by an enemy, Saul was no longer hearing from God or his prophets:

1 Sam 28:4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa.
1 Sam 28:5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.
1 Sam 28:6 And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

So who does Saul seek council from? Who does he seek to tell him what he must do?

 

Seeking After A Familiar Spirit

1 Sam 28:7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and inquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

God strongly condemned in scripture what Saul was going to do:

Lev 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
Deu 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Deu 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
Deu 18:14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

So, knowing that God condemned it, Saul still went to consult with a witch, a spirit medium and a necromancer (one who claims to consult with the dead).

1 Sam 28:8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.
1 Sam 28:9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?
1 Sam 28:10 And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.
1 Sam 28:11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

Now, consider an important point. Was the witch to summon the spirit of Samuel down from heaven? No. Saul knew the state of the dead, that Samuel was dead in the grave. He was actually asking the witch to call Samuel up from the grave, not down from heaven.

Note also that God was no longer speaking to Saul, and God's prophets were not speaking with Saul (1 Sam 28:6). So now, are we to believe that a witch was going to thwart the will of God by conjuring up Samuel from the grave, so that Saul could speak with a prophet of God, against the explicit will of God? No witch could do such a thing.

Remember also, the witch at Endor was known for having a familiar spirit. What is a familiar spirit anyway? It is not an angel of God, surely, because of God's strong condemnation against consulting with them. A familiar spirit is a demonic spirit, a fallen angel in league with Satan. This is what the woman at Endor had, communication with a demon, a demon who was quite capable of impersonating Samuel. It was NOT Samuel who appeared at her summons, it was a demon masquerading as Samuel. The first thing that the demon did was expose Saul's masquerade to the witch:

1 Sam 28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

Now exposed to the witch, Saul continues to consult her:

1 Sam 28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
1 Sam 28:14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

Note that Saul did not actually see anything himself, he had to ask the witch who is was that she saw. So based on what the witch said, Saul presumed it was Samuel who he was communicating with, that Samuel had been summoned from the grave to speak with him, since the witch said she could see Samuel coming up from out of the earth (not down from heaven). King Saul was putting his trust completely in a spirit medium, a witch, a necromancer, against the expressed will of God. So the following conversation was not between Saul and Samuel, but between Saul and a witch with a familiar (demonic) spirit:

1 Sam 28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

Again, note that Samuel is represented as coming up from the grave, not down from heaven. Saul also affirms that he knows that God refuses to communicate with him any more by any means, yet he expected to get guidance from a dead prophet of God via a familiar (demonic) spirit. The counsel Saul gets predicts the defeat of Israel and his imminent death, along with his sons:

1 Sam 28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?
1 Sam 28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:
1 Sam 28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.
1 Sam 28:19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.
1 Sam 28:20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.

Conclusion

King Saul was looking for help from the witch of Endor, to contact someone in the grave, a dead Samuel, so that he could know from God how he could gain a victory over the Philistines. But God was not talking to Saul any more. By knowing what the Bible teaches about the state of the dead, and the circumstances regarding Saul's relationship with God at the time, we can be quite certain that it was not actually Samuel raised from the dead speaking to him, but a fallen angel, a demonic spirit. That Saul even attempted this séance with a spirit medium (witch) was an abomination, a further rebellion against God, and Saul paid for his rebellion with his life.

1 Chr 10:13 So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the LORD, even against the word of the LORD, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to inquire of it;
1 Chr 10:14 And inquired not of the LORD: therefore he slew him, and turned the kingdom unto David the son of Jesse.

As the passage above clearly states, Saul communicated with a demonic spirit, not Samuel.


Explaining How God is Not the God of the Dead, but of the Living

In Matthew, Mark, and Luke, we have an account of a discussion Jesus had with a group of Sadducees, who scripture explains, did not believe in a resurrection of the dead (Matt 22:23, Mark 12:18, Luke 20:27).

 

They pose a question to Jesus about a widow who marries 7 brothers in sequence as each dies. The Sadducees presume that they have posed an impossible question to Jesus, because they assume that after any alleged resurrection, the woman would be guilty of bigamy by having seven husbands. Jesus answers as follows (emphasis is mine):

Mat 22:28 (KJV) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Mat 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
Mat 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Mark 12:23 (KJV) In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Mark 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
Mark 12:26 And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Luke 20:34 (KJV) And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luke 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
Luke 20:37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Note that the topic at hand deals with the Sadducees denial of a resurrection (the power of God to raise the dead) and their lack of knowledge of scripture on the matter.

 

In each of the above passages, to prove the resurrection, God is quoted when he spoke to Moses (Exodus 3:6) and said "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob" and then the comment is made that "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."

 

Some Catholics will point to the phrase "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living" as proof that people never really die, but rather their "soul" continues to live on after death.

 

However it is clear from the above passages that the issue in question is God's power to raise the dead from the grave in a resurrection, something the Sadducees clearly rejected.

 

The question posed does not address who's wife the woman would be after she is dead, while still in the grave, but rather after her resurrection, because the Sadducees assumed death to be final and irreversible.

 

Catholics who cite these passages to support Catholic teaching on the state of the dead (purgatory etc.) are doing so out of context, and this is apparent to most any reader who will merely take the time to study the matter.

 

1 Cor 15:52 (KJV) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Cor 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Cor 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Cor 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1 Cor 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The dead are in the grave, corrupt, decayed, dust, awaiting their resurrection at the last trumpet. At their resurrection they will put on incorruption, immortality, but until then they rest in the grave.


 Paul’s Earnest Expectation

     A related text that Paul penned to the Philippians has been twisted and misinterpreted much like 2 Corinthians 5. Here again Paul speaks of his “earnest expectation.” Philippians 1:20-24:

     First, let’s clarify what Paul’s “earnest expectation” really was in regard to being with Christ. Did he expect to be with Him at death? Not one text of the Bible teaches such a thing. Let the apostle answer for himself concerning his “earnest expectation.” “For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.” Romans 8:19. What was that manifestation when the sons of God would be revealed? Verse 23 answers, “… we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.” Paul’s earnest expectation and hope was for the time when his body would be redeemed.
     He did not say one word in Philippians 1:20-24 about the TIME he would be with the Lord. Some have attempted to interpret this text as though Paul said he wanted to depart and be with Christ immediately, but the word immediately is not in the scripture. In these verses, Paul does not specifically state WHEN he will be with the Lord.
     He only states his “earnest expectation” to be there. We have found from other scriptures that his expectation centered on the resurrection or translation of the body. Other passages further clarify without any equivocation when the great apostle expected to be with Christ.

  • Romans 8:23
              At the redemption of the body
  • 1 Corinthians 5:5
              In the day of the Lord Jesus
  • 1 Corinthians 15:51-55
              At the last trump
  • Colossians 3:4
              When Christ our life shall appear
  • 1 Thessalonians 4:16
              When the Lord descends with a shout
  • 2 Thessalonians 2:1
              At the coming of the Lord
  • 2 Timothy 4:7, 8
              At “that day” (by which Paul means the second advent of Christ)
         Paul had two conditions in view: to live or to die. Between these two, he was in a strait. The cause of God on earth drew him here, but he was weary from beatings, stonings, and bodily suffering. He almost felt that death would be desirable over the struggle of living. So evenly balanced were the influences drawing him in both directions that he hardly knew which course he preferred. Nevertheless, he said it was more needful for the church that he remain here to give them the benefit of his counsel and labor.

    9   How to be with the Lord

         Paul positively refuted the idea of an immortal spirit leaving the body at death when he pinpointed the ONLY means of being with the Lord. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 he said, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and SO shall we ever be with the Lord.”
         Please note the significance of that word “SO.” It means “in this way,” “in this manner,” “by this means.” “SO,” in this manner, by this means, “shall we ever be with the Lord.” By describing, without any limitation, the way and means by which we go to be with the Lord, Paul precludes every other means. If there is any other way of getting to be with the Lord, then Paul’s language is a stupendous falsehood. If we go to be with the Lord by means of our immortal spirit when we die, then we do not go to be with Him by means of the visible coming of Jesus, the resurrection of the dead and the change of the living. Then Paul’s words would not be true. There is no possible way of avoiding this conclusion, except by claiming that the descent of the Lord from heaven, the mighty shout, the trumpet, the resurrection of the dead, and the change of the living, ALL TAKE PLACE WHEN A PERSON DIES—a position too absurd to be considered.
         Since Paul himself so carefully defines the manner of going to be with the Lord, why should man try to interpret Philippians 1:23 to mean something contrary to the writer’s own explanation? As we have just noted from 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17, Paul knew of only two ways to be with the Lord—by translation or resurrection.

    10   To Live Or to Die?

         He expressed the hope that “Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.” Paul tied life and death to a physical body, not some soul or spirit. The alternatives that drew him were either “to live” or “to die.” He was “in a strait” between these two. If he lived, Christ would be magnified, and if he died a martyr’s death, the cause of Christ would be magnified. It would be “gain” either way, both for him and for Christ.
         But after considering the two alternatives, upon which he could not make up his mind (to live or to die), Paul is suddenly struck with a third choice, which he quickly declares to be “far better” than the other two. He described it as “having a desire to depart and to be with the Lord, which is far better.” Better than what? Clearly, than either of the two he had just mentioned (living or dying). Again, we are reminded of Paul’s overwhelming desire to be translated without passing through the “unclothed” state of death. That was his deepest desire.      Once more, we are constrained to ask: When did Paul expect this translation to take place? Moreover, when did he anticipate the change from mortality to immortality? He answers: “when Christ, who is our life, shall appear, THEN shall ye also appear with him in glory.” Colossians 3:4. When is THEN? At His second Coming. Have these appeared with Him in glory already? No. It will happen THEN, when He shall appear.
         John agrees with Paul, “But we know that, WHEN HE SHALL APPEAR, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.” 1 John 3:2. Think for a moment about the implications of that statement.
         John could not have believed that the righteous dead were already in the presence of the Lord. If so, they were able to see him “as he is” at that very moment, and they would already be changed into the “likeness” of Christ. However, he refutes the idea that any have seen him yet and declares unequivocally that it will all happen “when he shall appear.”

    11   Translation or Resurrection?

         Finally, let us take note that in case Paul was not permitted to depart this life by translation and had to depart by death, he did not expect to be with Christ until the resurrection. He clarifies this in 2 Timothy 4:6-8: “For I am now ready to be offered, and the time for my departure is at hand. I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: HENCEFORTH there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me AT THAT DAY: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.”
         In the clearest possible language, Paul not only explains but also emphasizes that his reward will be given at the coming of Christ. Even though his departure in death was “at hand,” he did not expect to be with Christ immediately. He expected it “henceforth.” The crown of immortality was “laid up for me,” he said. He would receive it “in that day” with others who would “love his appearing.” Surely, those of us living today should anticipate that same glorious appearing when we too shall receive, with Paul, the crown of righteousness, which fadeth not away.


  • The Souls Under The Altar

    The following passage in the book of Revelation is often cited in support of the belief that people are created with an immortal soul that survives in a conscious state after death:

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    Here you seemingly have John the revelator observing the conscious living immortal souls of martyred Christians in direct conversation with the Lord. Oddly enough, though, these "souls" are seen under an altar. Where this altar is, is not openly stated, but the assumption by those who believe in an immortal soul is that this altar must be in the heavenly temple of God. For example:

    "(1.) Where he saw them— under the altar; at the foot of the altar of incense, in the most holy place; he saw them in heaven, at the foot of Christ." Matthew Henry's Commentary on Revelation 6:9.

    Why the martyrs are described as being "under the altar", Matthew Henry does not really explain adequately. Obviously, if this assumption is true, the altar of incense in heaven must be extremely large in order for thousands of martyrs to be there.  That would be a literal interpretation, and makes about as much sense as all the dead saints literally going to Abraham's bosom (Luke 16:22), but Revelation is a book full of symbols.

     

    The First Martyr: Abel

    As a point of reference, it will be helpful to look first at the biblical account of the first martyr, Abel:

    Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
    Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
    Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
    Gen 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

    Abel's blood, not Abel himself, cried out to the Lord. Clearly this did not happen in a literal sense. Abel's shed blood cried out from the ground to the Lord symbolically, for justice to be done, for his blood to be avenged, just like in Rev 6:10.

     

    Nephesh

    The book of Leviticus give us some interesting information about blood:

    Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

    It is the Hebrew word nephesh that gives us the key:

    Lev 17:11 For the life [H5315 nephesh] of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: [H5315 nephesh] for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul [H5315 nephesh].

    The word nephesh occurs three times in that verse, and it is translated life, souls, and soul. So it would be just as proper to translate the verse as follows:

    Lev 17:11 For the soul of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

    Nephesh, according to Strong's dictionary, also has the meaning of breath, so this is also valid:

    Lev 17:11 For the breath of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

    Now as most people will probably recognize, that is a medically correct statement. The blood carries the oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. The body's breath is literally carried in the blood! So this verse draws a parallel between breath, soul, and blood. They are, in effect, synonymous in this case. Note this Messianic prophecy in Isaiah:

    Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul [H5315 nephesh] unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Since the life is in the blood (Lev 17:11), it was Jesus' blood that was poured out unto death at the cross.

     

    Psuche

    The word translated "souls" in Revelation 6:9 in the Greek is psuche, G5590 in Strong's dictionary, which also has the meaning of life or breath. Since we have concluded that the blood carries the life and breath in Leviticus 17:11, and life, breath, soul, and blood are synonymous in this case, the following is also a proper translation:

    Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the blood of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
    Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    Now verses 9 and 10 are coherent. It is the shed blood of the martyrs that is seen "under the altar", not immortal bodiless souls. Just as Abel's blood cries out symbolically for justice to the Lord, so does the blood of the martyrs "under the altar". So, just what does "under the altar" mean, and where is this altar. For the answers we need to look at the altars of the Hebrew sanctuary or temple.

     

    The Sanctuary

    (9) 2nd Apartment
    The Holy of Holies

    (8) The Ark of the Testimony of God containing the 10 commandments

    (7) The Table of Showbread

    (6) The Golden Altar
    of Incense

    (5) 1st Apartment
    The Holy place

    (4) The Golden Candlestick

    (3) The Laver

    (2) The Brazen Altar of Burnt Offerings

    (1) The Sacrifice of the Lamb

    The graphics of the sanctuary are adapted, with very minor revision, from an illustration by Tom Dunbebin.

     

    In the above illustration, two altars are depicted. The altar of burnt offerings in the outer court (2), and the altar of incense (6) in the first apartment of the sanctuary, or holy place.

     

    The Brazen Altar of Burnt Offering

    Now again, we have determined that Revelation 6:9 refers to the blood of Christian martyrs as being "under the altar". This expression "under the altar" is explained by how sacrificial blood was used in the sanctuary: Here is one example:

    Lev 4:7 And the priest shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the LORD, which is in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

    (See also: Exo 29:12, Lev 4:18, 25, 30, 34, 5:9, 8:15, 9:9)

    Note that only a small amount of the blood of the sacrifice was applied to the horns (at the top) of the altar of incense, but, most of it was poured out on the ground at the bottom of the altar of burnt offerings. Now as Christians are aware, the animal sacrifices of the Hebrew sanctuary were symbolic for the sacrifice and death of the lamb of God, those sacrifices represented the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The animal blood poured out at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering was symbolic of the shed blood of Jesus Christ, spilled on the ground under the cross! Therefore, the altar of burnt offering is symbolic of Christ's sacrifice, which occurred on this earth. (The Laver, which was between the altar of burnt offering and the entrance to the sanctuary, symbolically represents baptism, which is also on this earth.)

    Now note what Paul says about the saints of God:

    1 Cor 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    And note what Jesus said to Paul, then Saul, on the road to Damascus:

    Acts 22:7 And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
    Acts 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.

    Saul was killing and persecuting Christians, yet Jesus accuses Saul of persecuting Him! Then there is this, also from Jesus:

    Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    So martyring Christians is spiritually like crucifying Christ anew, and His blood was repeatedly poured out symbolically "under the alter" of burnt sacrifice, which represented the cross, which was on this earth.

     

    The Golden Altar of Incense

    The altar of incense however, is in the heavenly sanctuary before the throne of God:

    Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
    Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
    Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
    Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
    Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

    However, because the golden altar of incense never had sacrificial blood poured out under it, it is not the altar spoken of in Rev. 6:9.

    Two Groups of Martyrs

    Now note that there will clearly be two groups of martyrs.

    Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    This first group in Rev 6:9-11 are told they are to rest for a while until they are joined by a second group of martyrs, which are also mentioned in Revelation 14:

    Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    These Christian dead "rest" from their labors, asleep in their graves. They are not alive as an immortal soul in heaven, A similar verse about Abel being quite dead is found in Heb 11:4-

    Heb 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

     

    The Persecutor Drunken with the Blood of the Saints

    The context of Revelation 14 (Mystery Babylon and the mark of the beast), and the following verses in Revelation 17, 19 and 20 describe the persecutor of the saints:

    Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

    Rev 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    Interestingly enough, Revelation 17 tells us there are two phases of the "beast" which the woman rides:

    Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    The Beast that Was Is Not And Yet Is
     Pagan Spiritualism sovereignty and persecution
    1260 years (168b.c.-476a.d.)

    The 1st group of Martyrs

     Papal sovereignty and persecution
    1260 years (538-1798 A.D.)

    The 2nd group of Martyrs

     Pagan Spiritualism restored
    Papal head restored (1929 - ?)

     

    See: Revelation 17 Expounded and The Scriptures on Judgment.

    The first group of Christian martyrs, the group that must rest a while, are from the first persecution phase of the beast, the "beast that was". The second group of martyrs are to be martyred during the second phase of the beast, the beast that "yet is".

    The White Robes of Judgment

    Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

    The "white robes" are the righteousness of Jesus Christ (Isa 61:10) otherwise spoken of as the "wedding garment" (Matt 22:11,12), and the "father's robe" (Luke 15:22). So Rev 6:11 indicates that the righteous dead are judged prior to the beginning of the second phase of persecution of the saints by the woman riding the beast, the apostate church. This is the beginning of what is called the pre-advent judgment which starts with the house of God (1 Pet 4:17).

    Conclusion

    So by all of the above, we can conclude that in Revelation 6:9 it is the blood of dead Christian martyrs that cries out symbolically, from where it was shed: on the ground "under the (brazen) altar (of burnt offering)", which represents the cross, which is to say on the Earth, not in heaven.


    The Man of Sin in Rome and His War on the Truth of Scripture

     Regarding Man's Inherent Mortality

      On December 19, 1513, in connection with the eighth session of the fifth Lateran Council, Pope Leo X issued a Bull (Apostolici regimis) declaring, "We do condemn and reprobate all who assert that the intelligent soul is mortal" (Damnamus et reprobamus omnes assertentes animam intellectivam mortalem esse). This was directed against the growing "heresy" of those who denied the natural immortality of the soul, and avowed the conditional immortality of man. The Bull also decreed that "all who adhere to the like erroneous assertions shall be shunned and punished as heretics." The decrees of this Council, it should be noted, were all issued in the form of Bulls or constitutions (H. J. Schroeder, Disciplinary Decrees of the General Councils, 1937, pp. 483, 487).
       In 1516 Pietro Pomponatius, of Mantua, noted Italian professor and leader among the Averrorists (who denied the immortality of the soul), issued a

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    book in opposition to this position called Treatise on the Immortality of the Soul. This was widely read, especially in the Italian universities. As a result, he was haled before the Inquisition, and his book publicly burned in Venice.
       Then, on October 31, 1517, Luther posted his famous Theses on the church door in Wittenberg. In his 1520 published Defence of 41 of his propositions, Luther cited the pope's immortality declaration, as among "those monstrous opinions to be found in the Roman dunghill of decretals" (proposition 27). In the twenty-seventh proposition of his Defence Luther said:

       However, I permit the Pope to establish articles of faith for himself and for his own faithful—such are: That the bread and wine are transubstantiated in the sacrament; that the essence of God neither generates nor is generated; that the soul is the substantial form of the human body that he [the pope] is emperor of the world and king of heaven, and earthly god; that the soul is immortal; and all these endless monstrosities in the Roman dunghill of decretals—in order that such as his faith is, such may be his gospel, such also his faithful, and such his church, and that the lips may have suitable lettuce and the lid may be worthy of the dish.—Martin Luther, Assertio Omnium Articulorum M. Lutheri per Bullam Leonis X. Novissimam Damnatorum (Assertion of all the articles of M. Luther condemned by the latest Bull of Leo X), article 27, Weimar edition of Luther's Works, vol. 7, pp. 131, 132 (a point-by-point exposition of his position, written Dec. 1, 1520, in response to requests for a fuller treatment than that given in his Adversus execrabilem Antichristi Bullam, and Wider die Bulle des Endchrists).  

    Archdeacon Francis Blackbume states in his Short Historical View of the Controversy Concerning an Intermediate State, of 1765:

       Luther espoused the doctrine of the sleep of the soul, upon a Scripture foundation, and then he made use of it as a confuta-

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    tion of purgatory and saint worship, and continued in that belief to the last moment of his life.—Page 14.

    In support, Blackburne has an extended Appendix section dealing with Luther's teaching as set forth in his writings, and discusses the charges and countercharges.*
       Here follow certain of the leading witnesses of recent centuries, with Luther and Tyndale in some detail.

     

    Sixteenth Century

    MARTIN LUTHER (1493-1546), German Reformer and Bible translator

       'The immediate cause of Luther's stand on the sleep of the soul was the issue of purgatory, with its postulate of the conscious torment of anguished souls. While Luther is not always consistent, the predominant note running all through his writings is that souls sleep in peace, without consciousness or pain. The Christian dead are not aware of anything—see not, feel not, understand not, and are not conscious of passing events. Luther held and periodically stated that in the sleep of death, as in normal physical sleep, there is complete unconsciousness and unawareness of the condition of death or the passage of time. Death is a deep, sound, sweet sleep.‡  And the dead will remain asleep

       *The Lutheran scholar Dr. T. A. Kantonen (The Christian Hope, 1594, p. 37), likewise referred to Luther's position in these words:
       "Luther, with a greater emphasis on the resurrection, preferred to concentrate on the scriptural metaphor of sleep. For just as one who falls asleep and reaches morning unexpectedly when he awakes, without knowing what has happened to him " we shall suddenly rise on the last day without knowing how we have come into death and through death. ''We shall sleep, until He comes and knocks on the little grave and says, "Doctor Martin, get up! Then I shall rise in a moment, and be with him forever.' "
       †See "Auslegung des ersten Buches Mose" (1544), in Schriften, vol. 1, col. 1756; "Kirchen-Postille" (1528), in Schriften, vol. 11, col. 1143; Schriften, vol. 2, col. 1069; Deutsche Schriften (Erlangen ed.), vol. 11,  p. 142ff.; vol. 41 (1525), p. 373.

    ‡ "Catechetische Schriften" (1542), In Schriften, vol. 11,  pp. 287, 288.

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    until the day of resurrection.* which resurrection embraces both body and soul, when both will come together again.†
       Here are sample Luther citations. In the quaint 1573 English translation we read:

    Salomon judgeth that the dead are a sleepe, and feele nothing at all. For the dead lye there accompting neyther dayes nor yeares, but when are awaked, they shall seeme to have slept scarce one minute.—An Exposition of Salomon's Booke, called Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, 1553, folio 151v.
       But we Christians, who have been redeemed from all this through the precious blood of God's Son, should train and accustom ourselves in faith to despise death and regard it as a deep, strong, sweet sleep; to consider the coffin as nothing other than our Lord Jesus' bosom or Paradise, the grave as nothing other than a soft couch of ease or rest. As verily, before God, it truly is just this; for he testifies, John 11:11; Lazarus, our friend sleeps; Matthew 9:24: The maiden is not dead, she sleeps. Thus, too, St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15, removes from sight all hateful aspects of death as related to our mortal body and brings forward nothing but charming and joyful aspects of the promised life. He says there [vv. 42ff]: It is sown in corruption and will rise in incorruption; it is sown in dishonor (that is, a hateful, shameful form) and will rise in glory; it is sown in weakness and will rise in strength; it is sown in natural body and will rise a spiritual body.—"Christian Song Latin and German, for Use at Funerals," 1542, in Works of Luther (1932), vol. 6,  pp. 287, 288.
       Thus after death the soul goes to its bedchamber and to its peace, and while it is sleeping it does not realize its sleep, and God preserves indeed the awakening soul. God is able to awake Elijah, Moses, and others, and so control them, so that they will live. But how can that be? That we do not know; we satisfy ourselves with the example of bodily sleep, and with what God says: it is a sleep, a rest, and a peace. He who sleeps naturally knows nothing of that which happens in his neighbor's house; and


     

     * "Auslegungen uber die Psalmen [3]" in 1533 in Schriften, vol. 4, pp. 323, 324.

    †"Am Zweiten Sonntage nach Trinitatis," "Haus-Postille." in Schriften, vol. 13,  col. 2153; "Predigt uber 1 Cor. 15: (54-57)," (1533), "Auslegung des neuen Testament," in Schriften, vol. 8, col. 1340.

    [pg. 573] nevertheless, he still is living, even though, contrary to the nature of life, he is unconscious in his sleep. Exactly the same will happen also in that life, but in another and a better way.*—"Auslegung des ersten Buches Mose," in Schriften, vol. 1, cols. 1759, 1760.

      Here is another sample:

       We should learn to view our death in the right light, so that we need not become alarmed on account of it, as unbelief does; because in Christ it is indeed not death, but a fine, sweet and brief sleep, which brings us release from this vale of tears, from sin and from the fear and extremity of real death and from all the misfortunes of this life, and we shall be secure and without care, rest sweetly and gently for a brief moment, as on a sofa, until the time when he shall call and awaken us together with all his dear children to his eternal glory and joy. For since we call it a sleep, we know that we shall not remain in it, but be again awakened and live, and that the time during which we sleep, shall seem no longer than if we had just fallen asleep. Hence, we shall censure ourselves that we were surprised or alarmed at such a sleep in the hour of death, and suddenly come alive out of the grave and from decomposition, and entirely well, fresh, with a pure, clear, glorified life, meet our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the clouds . . .
       Scripture everywhere affords such consolation, which speaks of the death of the saints, as if they fell asleep and were gathered to their fathers, that is, had overcome death through this faith and comfort in Christ, and awaited the resurrection, together with the saints who preceded them in death.—A Compend of Luther's Theology, edited by Hugh Thomson Ker, Jr., p. 242.

     

    WILLIAM TYNDALE (1484-1536), English Bible translator and martyr

       In Britain William Tyndale, translator of the Bible into English, came to the defense of the revived


     

       *In his Master of Arts thesis (1946), "A Study of Martin Luther's Teaching Concerning the State of the Dead," T. N. Ketola, tabulating Luther's references to death as a sleep—as found in Luther's Sammtliche Schriften, Walsh's Concordia, 1904 ed.—lists 125 specific Luther references to death as a sleep. Ketola cites another smaller group of references showing Luther believed in the periodic consciousness of some. But the main point is that, while the dead live, they are unconscious—which is stated some seven times.

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    teaching of conditional immortality. This, as well as other teachings, brought him into direct conflict with the papal champion, Sir Thomas More, likewise of England. In 1529 More had strongly objected to the "pestilential sect" represented by Tyndale and Luther, because they held that "all souls lie and sleep till doomsday." In 1530 Tyndale responded vigorously, declaring:

       And ye, in putting them [the departed souls] in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection.... And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good case as the angels be) And then what cause is there of the resurrection?—William Tyndale, An Answer to Sir Thomas More's Dialogue (Parker's 1850 reprint), bk. 4, ch. 4, pp. 180, 181.

       Tyndale went to the heart of the issue in pointing out the papacy's draft upon the teachings of "heathen philosophers" in seeking to establish its contention of innate immortality.
       Thus:
    The true faith putteth [setteth forth] the resurrection, which we be warned to look for every hour. The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put [set forth] that the souls did ever live. And the pope joineth the spiritual doctrine of Christ and the fleshly doctrine of philosophers together; things so contrary that they cannot agree, no more than the Spirit and the flesh do in a Christian man. And because the fleshly-minded pope consenteth unto heathen doctrine, therefore he corrupteth the Scripture to stablish it.—lbid., p. 180.

       In yet another section of the same treatise, dealing with the "invocation of saints," Tyndale uses the same reasoning, pointing out that the doctrine of departed saints being in heaven had not yet been introduced in Christ's day:

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       And when he [More] proveth that the saints be in heaven in glory with Christ already, saying, "If God be their God, they be in heaven, for he is not the God of the dead;" there he stealeth away Christ's argument, wherewith he proveth the resurrection: that Abraham and all saints should rise again, and not that their souls were in heaven; which doctrine was not yet in the world. And with that doctrine he taketh away the resurrection quite, and maketh Christ's argument of none effect.—Ibid., p. 118.

    Tyndale presses his contention still further by showing the conflict of papal teaching with St. Paul, as he says in slightly sarcastic vein:

       "Nay, Paul, thou art unlearned; go to Master More, and learn a new way. We be not most miserable, though we rise not again; for our souls go to heaven as soon as we be dead, and are there in as great joy as Christ that is risen again." And I marvel that Paul had not comforted the Thessalonians with that doctrine, if he had wist [known] it, that the souls of their dead had been in joy; as he did with the resurrection, that their dead should rise again. If the souls be in heaven, in as great glory as the angels, after your doctrine, shew me what cause should be of the resurrection)—Ibid.

    JOHN FRITH (1503-33), associate of Tyndale and fellow martyr
       A Disputacyon of Purgatorie ... divided into three Bokes, c. 1530
       An Answer to John Fisher, Bishop of Rochester

       Notwithstanding, let me grant it him that some are already in hell and some in heaven, which thing he shall never be able to prove by the Scriptures, yea, and which plainly destroy the resurrection, and taketh away the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul do prove that we shall rise;... and as touching this point where they rest, I dare be bold to say that they are in the hand of God.—An Answer to John Fisher.

    Source: Seventh-day Adventists Answer Questions on Doctrine, copyright 1957 by the Review and Herald Publishing Association, pages 569-575.